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Friday, November 23, 2012

Some of Eight Acre Louisiana Sinkhole is on Fire.


Disclose.tv - Watch: Man ignites tap water 4 miles from Louisiana sinkhole wmv

Note - This man's water comes from his private well  - not city or parish water.

Some comments from the Fark Forum - Sinkhole on Fire:

.The Revelation of John, Chapter 9, verse 2: "And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit." And we are approaching the end of 2012, aren't we?


."methane trapped in a water aquifer, stabilize the salt dome, released natural gas and crude oil as it collapsed, Three vent wells already are burning off gas, Texas Brine Co, The sinkhole, now 8 acres at the surface, is in a swampy area"

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(Biloxi Sun Herald)That five acre Louisiana sinkhole is now an eight acre Louisiana sinkhole. And some of it is on fire  (sunherald.com)divider line73
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.Serious question. Is there no way a lot of the methane can be collected for fuel, rather than just burning it off? Kinda like trash dumps started doing quite awhile ago? Or is it venting so quickly that the infrastructure and cost to set it up would likely be a waste by the time they got it going therefore it's better and more environmentally sound to just burn it off instead?

.It's a matter of infrastructure, to store the gas you'd need to put in a lot of pipe and various equipment. And a growing sinkhole is not exactly the most suitable place for that.

.Was the salt dome being used as a storage tank for the natural gas and crude oil? Or had it just seeped in there?

- And where did the salt dome come from in the first place? Was it natural, or created from salt mining, or a byproduct of some other industrial process?

- And why did the salt dome collapse? Earthquake? Industrial accident? Just something that happens?

- Actually, there are hundreds of questions that run through my mind when I find out that one chemical company is renting a salt dome filled with crude oil and natural gas from another chemical company, and that salt dome has collapsed and flooded the surrounding environment with toxins. But I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like the answers, so I'm glad the article didn't provide any.

.Re:Serious question. Is there no way a lot of the methane can be collected for fuel, rather than just burning it off? Kinda like trash dumps started doing quite awhile ago? Or is it venting so quickly that the infrastructure and cost to set it up would likely be a waste by the time they got it going therefore it's better and more environmentally sound to just burn it off instead?

Answer: There is probably not enough methane there to make setting up any sort of operation to collect it worthwhile. This is just a relatively small underground water aquifer, not a big hydrocarbon deposit. There is probably just a limited amount of crude oil and methane from a small amount of organic matter was trapped in that anaerobic environment.

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Wait, what?
Where did it say that the salt dome was being rented by anyone, or that it was being used by storage?
It's a frickin' sinkhole, not a storage facility!

The most logical explanation for this whole thing from my perspective is thus:
This sinkhole opened up because there was an underground water aquifer below the surface. Apparently there was a dome of salts over it, probably formed by minerals that are naturally in the ground and water. The crude oil and methane probably bubbled up because there was organic matter trapped for a very long time under the aquifer, providing the pressure and anaerobic environment needed for bacteria to eat organic matter, produce methane gas as a byproduct, and then be squished into crude oil along with their lunches. When the sinkhole collapsed it allowed the oil and methane to escape from under the salt dome, which lowers internal pressure and causes it to collapse.
.Re: Where did it say that the salt dome was being rented by anyone, or that it was being used by storage?
It's a frickin' sinkhole, not a storage facility!


Salt caverns are routinely used for storage.See  Link:Texas Brine Underground Storage Services

In fact, one of the reasons this collapsed salt cavern is such a problem is that Texas Brine has been illegally using other caverns in the same salt dome to store radioactive waste. http://emsnews.wordpress.com/2012/09/21/texas-brine-filled-louisiana-s alt-dome-with-radioactive-toxic-wastes/

Now, again, I have no idea if the crude oil and natural gas that are forcing their way to the surface are materials that Texas Brine was storing in the salt cavern. If so, that would be good, because there's a relatively finite amount of natural gas that's going to come out (i.e., the only gas that will come out is what they put in there in the first place).

The other alternative is that they've breached one of the gigantic natural gas pockets that often end up around salt domes due to geography. If this happened, it would be bad, because that would mean there is probably a *lot* of natural gas that is going to come up, for a very long time.

Or, maybe this is one of the holes they've been illegally storing radioactive waste in. That would be bad too.
Supposedly it's natural....
Anyhow, been following this since August when it began. Over 150 homes were evacuated then and remain evacuated to this day - with no return home for these families - even projected at this point.

There is ongoing and increasing earthquake activity in this area.

Bubbling which began and has intensified - involving areas many miles from the sinkhole.

Everything that's going on with this is fascinating and changing daily.

So . . .if anyone else is interested in checking this out:
Here's the Assumption Parish Police Jury Blog that has ongoing updates (including videos and pics).

and here's  The Louisiana Sinkhole Bugle (in the column on the right are lists of other great links also)

Oh, and the Lake Peigneur YouTube link (referred to in the comments) was removed by A&E.
Here's another video.  The Lake Peigneur Disappearing Lake incident happened in 1980 and -
for anyone who hasn't watched THIS - it's a must see - simply unbelievable! 
 


The sinkhole, which now has an 8-acre surface area [previously reported at 7 acres], is located in swamps between the communities south of La. 70 on property leased by Texas Brine from Occidental Chemical Corp.
Title: Bayou Corne Resident Meeting With La. State Representatives (Informal)
Published: rainbeaudais
Published: Nov. 10, 2012
*WARNING* NSFW: Bad language
At 35:00 in
Resident: I done a flyover and I took some video there. That hole is — the oil outside of the boom of that thing is ridiculous.
Why isn’t the EPA involved in that?
Rep. Karen St. Germaine: They are.
Resident: [...] That swamp water is contaminated behind those peoples’ houses. No doubt in my mind the swamp is contaminated.



Contributing Sources:
http://www.usmra.com/youtube_play.asp?code=0165

http://assumptionla.wordpress.com/

http://lasinkhole.wordpress.com/2012/11/19/chemical-plant-blows-up/

http://www.texasbrine.com/storage-services.html

http://abcnews.go.com/US/louisiana-sinkhole-engulfs-boat-workers-rescued/story?id=17021557#.UK78GIdZWd0

http://enenews.com/sinkhole-grows-8-acres-witness-amount-oil-around-sinkhole-ridiculous-video

http://thecelestialconvergence.blogspot.com/2012/11/geological-upheaval-louisiana-sinkhole.html

http://www.fark.com/comments/7440563/That-five-acre-Louisiana-sinkhole-is-now-an-eight-acre-Louisiana-sinkhole-And-some-of-it-is-on-fire?cpp=1




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